The Pandora’s Box of War

By Chris Hedges/Truthdig/April 7, 2017

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29 Responses to The Pandora’s Box of War

  1. Arlen Grossman, as I said, both of the 2 main Parties are war parties. They just change their tunes regardless of which Party is in power. Even if all of the wars following World War 2 were not legitimate, we should have indicted all members from that time to the present. The argument that a war is illegal because one objects to it, not because the Congress authorized it, is a bad argument. Some wars are unjustified as I said, the Civil War being one of them. Despite this detail, if it was legally declared, the argument against its legality would have been moot by its very nature. We could say that the war on drugs is illegal, however, as long as it is being funded by Congress, that argument would not be valid.

    • I’m not sure of the Civil War being unjustified, Jeffrey. If we didn’t go to war, slavery would have continued in the South.

      • Arlen Grossman, with the invention of the cotton gin, as well as some other things, that would have made slavery obsolete. Yes, the war and slavery should never have happened. However, it was a gross abuse of power for Abraham Lincoln to claim that no state would be permitted to secede from the United States. Since the states created the federal government, not the other way around, it is absurd that one man acted as if he had sole authority to dictate whether or not states could secede from the union and be their own nation.

        • Jeffrey, you ignored the fact that slavery would have continued were it not for the war. The part about the cotton gin is speculative. What would you have said to the slaves? Hang in there for a few more years (or decades) until the plantation owners changed their mind?

          • Arlen Grossman, you misunderstand me. I would have fought against slavery. However, Abraham Lincoln did it at the expense of the U.S. Constitution. He also violated the rights of the individual states.

  2. My understanding is that Saddam kept a lid on a lot of extremist groups, so maybe ISIS wouldn’t exist but for our overthrow of the government.

    • Arlen Grossman, unless Saddam Hussein had a bona fide death wish (which we would have granted if he attacked us directly,) I seriously doubt that he would have attacked us directly. My thinking is that the war in Iraq was unwarranted.

  3. That’s because Obama is a politician and therefore calculating. When the wind blew the other direction he changed his mind. I never could understand how letting gays marry is a bad thing?
    Can you enlighten me?

    • Arlen Grossman, letting gays and lesbians marry is not a bad thing. These people who claim that marriage is for God to define are hardcore religious fundamentalist types who want to mandate their beliefs by force of law, particularly on people who do not share their same beliefs. At the very least, same-sex marriage should have some degree of support from groups that are pro-life.

      • Again, we are on the same page on this issue.

        • Arlen Grossman, I know that congress has the power to declare war. Having said that, what if Congress gave authorization to go to a certain war and members of the general public claim that the war is illegal? Are the people who claim that it is illegal being ignorant about Congress’ authority to declare war or are they just spouting off because they object to it?

          • The Constitution clearly states only Congress can declare war. And yet the last time that happened was WWII. Congress is shirking its duty and giving too much power to the executive branch.Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan are examples of undeclared wars that have failed. And I’ve lost track of the number of countries that our troops are fighting in.

          • Arlen Grossman, Iraq was a fruitless endavor from my way of thinking. In your opinion, would ISIS and ISIL have come into being if Saddam Hussein was still in power in Iraq or not likely?

  4. Arlen Grossman, as I said in another post, we should have just let the Middle East implode. What happens over there should stay over there. The only real reason for us to have been over there is because of the attack that was orchestrated by Al Qaeda.

    • No disagreement from me, Jeffrey.

      • Arlen Grossman, political bias aside, when George W. Bush was president, what did he come close to getting right on the issues in your personal opinion? On matters of national defense (excluding involvement in Iraq, which was a fruitless endavor in my opinion,) what do you think George W. Bush got right and what did he get wrong? You don’t obviously have to like the guy, however, to focus on the positive, what good, if any, did he do as President in your opinion? From a national security standpoint, I would say good in some ways, not so good in other ways.

        • Well, he wasn’t Donald Trump. That’s a positive. I did like the way he calmed the country down after 9/11 and promoted tolerance toward Muslims. Also, Medicare Part D. Turnabout is fair play. Can you find anything positive about Barack Obama?

          • Arlen Grossman, one issue that Barack Obama got right was his support of same-sex marriage. A+ there. We should not have a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage. The Dictionary already took care of that.

  5. What we’ve done up to now have only made bad situations worse. I don’t see the benefit of the U.S. involved in every Mideast conflict. We don’t seem to be helping make peace. Perhaps we should let them work out their own problems. But of course, too many people are making to much profit for us to leave, so we’re stuck with perpetual bloodshed. What a shame.

    • Arlen Grossman, you and I are on the same page. We have both expressed differing opinions on things, however, I am inclined to agree with you in this regard.

      • I’m glad to hear that. You sound like a libertarian, Jeffrey. Am I correct?

        • Arlen Grossman, I am inclined to agree with the Libertarian Party on the issues. Some things they are for I am personally opposed to. Prostitution and drug use are examples. However, I believe that people should be free to do drugs or pursue sex work if they so choose. Would it be seen as a double standard in your personal opinion if someone says they oppose something personally, however, they are disinclined to advocate laws to legislate said behavior?

          • Sounds reasonable and sounds libertarian to me. I wish everybody else had the same attitude.

          • Arlen Grossman, I hope that I am not coming across as a hypocrite when I speak of things that I am opposed to personally and yet don’t have any issue with being legal for the public at large. On the grounds of personal freedom, people should be free to do whatever they want as long as they are not affecting anybody else.

  6. List of X says:

    I support the idea of the US pulling out of Middle East, but should that happen, I have zero hopes that it will bring peace to the ME. After all, many conflicts in or around ME don’t involve the US: Shiites vs Sunni, Turkey vs Kurds, Assad vs rebels, (and rebels against other rebels, Saudi Arabia vs Iran, al-Sisi vs Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS vs everyone, Erdogan vs democracy in Turkey, Houthis vs Yemen government, and if all else fails, Arabs vs Israel. If we move out, all of these conflicts remain unsolved and will cause decades and decades of war and bloodshed.

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