The presidential election (with Trump, Harris, and Hal’s favorite, Jill Stein) is about 7 weeks away so the political world is in an upheaval. Hal Ginsberg and I talk about how Trump seems to be having a meltdown, and Taylor Swift and immigrants eating pets are big topics. Besides the election, Hal has no problem with Trump’s unwillingness to declare he wants Ukraine to defeat Russia. I take a different view.